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VIDEO: Tempers Flare at Public Forum

Resident escorted out of meeting by police.

EDITOR'S NOTE: The video above was the only footage of the incident that Wilmington Patch recorded. However, Wilmington Community Television produced and aired the entire meeting. For those interested in viewing the entire exchange, please visit the WCTV Vimeo page and click on the timeline to about 47:30.

The new Wilmington High School vote is coming up, and both residents and town officials in town are passionate about the project. That was evident Thursday night when debate during the public comments section led to a resident being removed from the meeting after a heated exchange with Town Manager Michael Caira.

Kevin MacDonald, who regularly attends meetings in town and who has clashed with officials on several occasions in recent months, spoke for several minutes about why he opposed the project before he was escorted into the hallway.

Following the exchange, State Representative James Miceli voiced addressed Caira and said he felt the removal was in poor taste, and that while he did not agree with what MacDonald was saying, he believed the resident had the right to say it.

"You're absolutely right, he has a right to be heard," Caira said to Miceli. "But he has a right to be respectful at a public body and I think the people in this room have a right to be respected."

 

Karl Ian Sagal November 02, 2011 at 06:47 AM
So you complain about some people being referred to as 'minions' by calling people Nazis, windbags, and egotistically compulsive. I guess you proved that name calling has no value. I especially like your last sentence. It has been quite some time since anyone called me skinny. And I take offense at you calling the Town Manager and the Superintendent of Schools windbags. They spent the most time at the microphone pontificating their opinions. I do not agree with all they say, but you should not be calling them names.
Karl Ian Sagal November 02, 2011 at 06:54 AM
I believe that group also has at least 3 selectman victories more than you. Your attempt to insult me has me in very good company. I could surely do much worse. It may have been an insult for them to be associated with me, but I am who I am, and I speak my mind. If you don't like it, that is your right. You can even pontificate yourself about how much you don't. That right has been defended many times by veterans, and those who change the political landscape by both their political victories and failures. Getting elected is great, and you can sometimes make a real positive impact, if you try. Not getting elected is not as great, but sometimes you can bring up topics and issues that would not have gotten discussed if you had not run. And action speaks louder and stronger than whiny internet babble from those afraid to be honest and identified. At least no one accused me of being the friend of a jousting clucking chicken. That would be worse.
suz sull November 02, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Guys ( Karl, Frank), Don't even bother to respond. This is a tactic used when a person has no argument for their cause. Obviously JTCJCC and Daniel have issues with name calling, let's hope they haven't breed because it is hard to teach children not to name call when you do it yourself. As far as my minion comment anyone that joined into the TM's bullying tactic by blindly answering the polling re: MacDonald without realizing how wrong it was for the TM to do such a thing, well minion seems like the right word to use. I think the person who used this word describing it to me was right on the mark.
Frank West November 02, 2011 at 09:48 PM
Hey JCTJCC - aks Jousting Clucking Chicken - posting at 1:14AM - had to make sure the husband and kids were tucked in first and the QVC order was placed. Seriously, can you please answer my basic questions in the post above? I think these forums are supposed to be for serious dialog but hey, it's a free country, right?? Maybe the Patch should restrict fake names and only allow posts from people who use their full name - hey Matt from Patch - wanna take that as a poll question?? That would illiminate our friend Jousting Clucking Chicken or would it??
Shawn Moran November 03, 2011 at 12:45 AM
i respect people who run for public office they put themselves out there for public scrutiny as is evident from the comments above.Many members of my family have run for various offices and received the same scrutiny but they still went for it and they usually won.
Mark Nelson November 08, 2011 at 11:13 AM
The Burlington Board of Selectmen met last night to discuss the procedure of replacing Town Administrator Robert Mercier, who last month announced his retirment. Mercier said his retirement will go into effect at the end of May, 2012. During the meeting the board discussed how to handle the search and vetting process, the requirements members would like to set for candidates and set a general timeline of the process. The first thing up for discussion was how to conduct the search process and who would handle the initial vetting and interviews of candidates. The four proposed methods, worked out in advance with Burlington's Human Resource Director Joanne Faust, were to 1) a local screening committee of 7-9 members, 2) using an outside professional firm, 3) a combination of an outside firm assisted by a small local screening committee of 3-5 members or 4) to have the Board of Selectmen conduct the entire process.
Karl Ian Sagal November 08, 2011 at 05:03 PM
The problem with many of those plans is that there is too much input from the public, or potentially those not politically connected. That is why the Wilmington plan is so superior. All those kind of decisions are made in that back room, out of view from the prying eyes of the taxpaying public. Then the laws are changed, and ignored if necessary, to institute the plan created by those already in the bag. No need to dilute the plan with ideas from outside of the clique.
kickbacks galore November 09, 2011 at 10:43 PM
Are your bank accounts falling and your manager's and selectmen's rising?
Daniel November 11, 2011 at 06:41 PM
Wilmington Advocate: May 4, 2009: When discussing the police department budget, MacDonald...made a motion to eliminate the department’s $395,000 overtime line item from the police budget. When discussion began on the fire department budget, MacDonald again questioned the overtime pay, budgeted at $400,000.MacDonald also asked whether firefighters are sleeping on the job or watching television while working. “You’ve asked that same question for 15 years,” Town Moderator Jim Stewart said to MacDonald. “The town moderator is out of order,” MacDonald said. “No, you’re out of order,” Stewart said to MacDonald. MacDonald next made a motion to remove public safety central dispatch from the town budget, at a cost of $539,099. This motion failed. MacDonald also argued against appropriating by borrowing $975,000 for a replacement aerial ladder truck for the fire department.The Town Meeting voters approved purchasing the new ladder truck with a 161-7 vote. Voters also faced a decision on whether to appropriate $180,000 for a replacement ambulance. “This is a pretend ambulance,” MacDonald said. The vote on the new ambulance passed with a majority vote. MacDonald again criticized the fire department on discussion of another article, which asked to appropriate $60,000 for an upgraded fire alarm system at the Wildwood School. “That’s enough,” Stewart said to MacDonald. “You’ve berated the employees of this town long enough. Sit down, Mr. MacDonald.”
William November 14, 2011 at 02:21 PM
Not possible for trees to grow in a basement -- no sunlight.
William November 14, 2011 at 02:25 PM
MacDonald clearly has some kind of vendetta against the police and firefighters of Wilmington. I've heard about this.
William November 14, 2011 at 02:27 PM
Oh. And I was at the meeting in the video clip. He has the right to voice his opinion, but he owes it to his neighbors to be respectful. If he has evidence (actual documented evidence) of corruption, he should present it or he should stop making outlandish accusations. He should also stop visiting people's houses at night to voice his opposition to the high school.
Patty November 22, 2011 at 08:36 PM
William, I agree. Its scary enough to be home alone while my husband is at work, than I get a visit from Kevin with his creepy eyes and ranting about God knows what. I was very close to calling the police.
Patty November 22, 2011 at 08:38 PM
Hi Kevin
Patty November 22, 2011 at 08:38 PM
Hi Kevin
toosheer December 06, 2011 at 03:06 AM
This might be a rush to judgment but this HS sounds like the new library we had to have .What's going on with this town? We have allot of tax money that is called free cash yet out taxes go up 2.5% every year. People are out of work but the manager negotiated with the unions for a pay increase. Now our country is in a recession and facing a presentable election next year..... I love the idea of a new HS just like I would love a new addition to my house...the real question is have we really thought this out...if not this new HS could turn out to be Wilmington's BIG DIG
Karl Ian Sagal December 06, 2011 at 03:15 AM
Be careful toosheer. There are a couple here who will attack you because you are not in favor of this expenditure. I am not a fan of those who post without using their names, but considering the unrelenting attack after attack from several here, I am starting to understand it. I appreciate your position, and agree with much of it. I have always said that what the Town Manager calls 'Free Cash' is what I would call 'taxes collected that were not needed' or over taxation. Still, he does do a pretty fair job, especially by comparison to other towns, in keeping the taxes relatively low, and the services of the town fairly high. I think that the government getting so excited to spend that which they do not have, is a real problem that will come back and hurt us very much. The state is set to give us Millions of dollars that they just do not have. The town is set to borrow the money at a good interest rate, but it is still borrowing the money. It is not like we could afford this. And I agree with the parallel to the Library. They insisted on a giant project that could not be justified, and did a feasibility study to justify it, same as here. The town management had planned on this building of a new high school long before the feasibility study came back. (Before it started.)
Al Roberts December 06, 2011 at 04:16 AM
Hi Mark
Al Roberts December 06, 2011 at 04:25 AM
Wow Karl, Now it’s OK to post without using your name. You are so transparent. If you agree its OK but if you don’t agree the poster is spineless. Again I ask what is your problem with our town’s management? You always throw a quick kiss to Mr. Caira before you start with the conspiracy theories. Don’t forget to vote YES tomorrow for the new High School!
Al Roberts December 06, 2011 at 04:25 AM
Wow Karl, Now it’s OK to post without using your name. You are so transparent. If you agree its OK but if you don’t agree the poster is spineless. Again I ask what is your problem with our town’s management? You always throw a quick kiss to Mr. Caira before you start with the conspiracy theories. Don’t forget to vote YES tomorrow for the new High School!
Karl Ian Sagal December 06, 2011 at 05:32 AM
Are you really that foolish, or do you just play so on the internet? I said I am no fan if those who post without using their names, and that is not enough. You attacked for no reason, and wonder... I have answered all reasonable questions regardless of names, yet feel people should use their name. I have not changed. Your attacks have not changed. As a matter of fact, you have attacked me for my stance on names, yet now attack me again if I reduce the rhetoric on them. You will attack me what ever stance I take. Good for you. I hope it makes you happy. Have a nice day.
Karl Ian Sagal December 06, 2011 at 05:36 AM
Al Roberts, I am hesitant to ask, but what conspiracy theory are you talking about? And even if your memory does not recall, my posted and public position on Caira has not changed for several years.
F. Gump December 06, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Mr. Roberts I really think you should be nicer to Mr. Karl. Everybody has a bad day now and again. Can we all stop the fussin and fighting here? We should all work together. My friend Bubba says he is an impotent person here in town.
Judy O'Connell December 06, 2011 at 01:24 PM
Please Vote YES today for a NEW WILMINGTON HIGH SCHOOL! Thank you!
John Harris December 12, 2011 at 03:39 PM
Although I believe that we do need a new High School in Wilmington (the building was in poor condition and needed to be replaced back when I graduated in 1980) I was upset that a tax increase for the next 25 years was the only option presented to the residents of Wilmington to pay for the new school building. In this era when the nation is so overburdened with debt that there is probably no way to ever pay it off I find it disappointing that the local government in Wilmington chooses to take on huge amounts of new debt and asks an already burdened public to pay even more in taxes. How about initiating some cut-backs in local government to pay for the new school over the 25 year period. I bet we could cut enough expenses each year to pay for this if we really tried. I cannot imagine that the town goverment in Wilmington is so efficient that cuts cannot be made.
Kevin Mac August 09, 2012 at 03:47 PM
Just watched the video of Kev being forcefully removed from a town meeting a while ago. Kevin you are the best. I am with you 100 % in all your beliefs. I also think Lester and Beckett will lead the Red Sox to the pennant.
Just telling it like it is May 05, 2013 at 07:28 PM
I think what you mean Stephen is that at the end of the day that it should be about the kids
Just telling it like it is May 05, 2013 at 07:29 PM
Presentation is everything
Just telling it like it is June 15, 2013 at 01:05 PM
That's probably because meeting after meeting after meeting of Kevin's mouth and antics Mr Caira was sick of it as well as everyone else was and is. To state a valid point is fine. However without the correct presentation the point falls upon deaf ears.

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