UPDATE: School Construction Delayed After New Appeal

There are not yet estimates as to how long the project will be delayed following an abutter appeal of the Department of Environmental Protection's ruling.

Update at 6:52 p.m.: Board of Selectmen chairman Mike Newhouse just verified to Wilmington Patch that a second appeal was filed just prior to the 5 p.m. deadline that included a list of 10 residents.

Original Story:The has been delayed once more as an appeal of the was filed prior to Friday’s deadline.

One abutter of the project appealed the that was approved by the DEP on Friday, July 13. As a result, the school plans will go to an adjuticatory hearing, which .

Town Manager Michael Caira did not want to comment on specific delays or cost impacts associated with the latest appeal, but said he hopes the process moves as quickly as possible.

“I don’t want to tell people that the project is delayed for days, weeks, or months because of this,” said Caira. “I just want to say that in general terms, the project is delayed. If there was no appeal, we would have begun work on Tuesday. There is an appeal, so we are going to try to have the appeal dealt with as expeditiously as possible. How long it’ll take, we’re not sure.”

Board of Selectmen member Judy O’Connell said she was disappointed to hear the news, and added that she believed the town had taken the appropriate steps to avoid this action.

“The biggest and most profound impact will be on the children who will go there, and the faculty that teach there,” said O’Connell. “The children come first, and they are the ones who will suffer the consequences of this decision.”

Check back with Wilmington Patch first thing Monday morning for complete reaction to the latest appeal.

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Matt Schooley (Editor) August 02, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Leah, I do not believe construction related to the new school has started since the appeals are not settled yet. I sent an e-mail to Town Manager Michael Caira to get an answer for you. He's out of the office today but I will let you know what I hear when he returns. Thanks for checking in. Matt
Al Roberts August 02, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Hey Mr Poopular... to quote you... OF course, I also have included a cut and paste of a posting of yours: Al Roberts 9:06 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012 Hat boy are you kidding? every time you run for something your vote total drops like a hooker's drawers. you always come in dead last, even behind Mr. Stinky and last time you got like 100 votes out of 2000 cast. You are an electoral joke. In that posting, you say that I got 100 votes, Yet here you post that I got 414. I have not checked your numbers, as it does not matter, but which time were you telling a lie? And as I said before, that is 414 more votes than the bomb throwers and cowards here. OF course, not all posters qualify for those two titles, so do not apply them to yourself if they do not fit. If you had a clue you might realize when I said hooker's drawers or "like" 100 votes I was not telling a "lie" I was, well I'm not even going to bother . You are truly a loser and must be a lonely man. Speaking of not having any friends how's cranky franky?
Al Roberts August 02, 2012 at 04:24 PM
Actually, that is where the new Turf field is going, I think it looks great. Only kidding Leah
Kevin Mac August 02, 2012 at 04:59 PM
When the new high school is built, will the 2011-2012 state champion high school hockey team have rooms named after each player?
Kevin Mac August 02, 2012 at 07:41 PM
I think Kevin may actually be correct on this one guys.Rumors are floating around that he has been seen spending time around the chalkboard with Phineas J Whoopie
Al Roberts August 02, 2012 at 07:51 PM
Hey Hat Boy did you give scooter rides to retire your campaign debts? LOL
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi.
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 12:20 PM
I also feel bad for the children, for the resounding examples of intolerance, set forth by the 'adults within the >majority< ' change the scene just a bit, change the era, and you have history repeating itself.
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 12:33 PM
are you asking to change the Bill or rights? the Freedom of Speech? IF one wants to silence those that speak against others, are they also willing to give up their rights to free speech? it has to be a law of equality, or we cease to be a democracy, and i can think of many that have given their lives to defend just such a right. People should remember that part!.. I know i do, one of my son's was killed in Afghanistan. He was a medic, who put his own life on the line for others, that defended democracy. and esp the freedom of speech, for the minority as well as the majority.
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Lennie wrote:"The appeal is for one reason only to wear down the majority to be bullied into accepting the side of those who did not want the school," Actually, the majority of the comments on the forums sound much more like the 'majority who voted at town meeting' bullying the rest of the town into siding with them. it would be interesting to see how each town resident would respond to a similar vote.
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 12:54 PM
@ Al.... just a question of curiosity... when you returned home from tour of duty, how did the rest of the population regard you? were you among those that were given similar treatment (as you have shown to others here) when they returned from Viet Nam???
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 01:01 PM
I was at the 2 conservation meetings, where the plans for the high school were discussed prior to the last DEP findings and I had some questions, but i guess all the sideways discussions when i spoke, hid my voice.
Mathew Jancsics August 06, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Josephene, “Semper Ubi Sub Ubi”, actually might need an extra pair with what you’re spouting off in here. Can you please do us a favor and condense all of your thoughts into one reply vs. going post by post as it is simply brutal. You’re remark about intolerance is for the most part laughable as here on one side we have town officials, experts in the building and design field, as well as countless others who went out of their way to make this process as open as possible, combined with a pretty clear majority of residents who are in favor of a project as it is proposed, and on the other a vast minority of seemingly misinformed and or vengeful souls who apparently have not only a grudge against town management but also the good people who also happen to live here. If anything I commend many who have been contributing here in favor of the project, given what they have to contend with I feel on the whole the discussion has been pretty civil, especially considering that these obstructionists are now going to cost us all an additional 3 million.
Karl Ian Sagal August 06, 2012 at 01:39 PM
Josephine, I do hope that Al was treated better when he returned from where ever he served to a more civil reception than he gives here, and I know I did. While I served with many Viet Nam era service personnel, I got a much better reception when I returned. I served under Carter and Reagan. Now, a young man returning from doing his service is one thing, treating people how they treat others is a different thing. At this point, I hope that Al gets all that he gives.
Karl Ian Sagal August 06, 2012 at 01:46 PM
I believe you are wrong. I think he has a purpose that is not that base. Not everyone thinks and is motivated as you seem to be.
Karl Ian Sagal August 06, 2012 at 01:50 PM
This comment seems a bit personal to me. I also thought she died of cancer, and his appeal deals with fears of further contamination to the water supply. I believe that if he feels this will help the quality of the water supply, or at least bring the danger of adding dangers to the drinking water, she may very much applaud his actions. Either way, I believe it is a low class action to bring up his lost wife and her opinions, which you do not know.
Karl Ian Sagal August 06, 2012 at 02:04 PM
Mathew, This forum and this topic in particular has had many people, on the side of building the new High School, be very insulting and rude. You have been very insulting yourself, and to say that it has been civil indicates an inability to tell the truth. Matt has come on several times to this topic to ask for civility, as well as others from the Patch. Some of you have even complained when others call for civility. Each of the previous appeals has improved the project, or protected the town, and been supported by the state. I do not know how these will fare, but your coolaide drinking rhetoric is good for the majority of the rude and bomb throwing posters here, but does not hold water in the real world. You yourself post multiple times on each nuance of this topic. Why should Josephine not be allowed to do what you do? Because this forum is hostile to any that express a contrary opinion, that is why. And you are among the most hostile, and least willing to hear another opinion. That is your right, but it does not make you right. You have no way to know that the 'vast majority' of those against it are misinformed or vengeful souls with a grudge, but that is the attitude you have assigned to them. Perhaps it is because it is how you are motivated. Perhaps in some cases you are correct. But, it is not a clear or rational conclusion anyone can make for all of them.
Mathew Jancsics August 06, 2012 at 02:13 PM
Karl, Again I cannot stress enough that your complaining about civility is lost on me as personally I feel you’re the biggest abuser of speaking with a forked tongue. If you truly wanted or strove for civility you’d quit your holier than thou delivery, the personal insults that you wield so freely, and you’d learn to spell Kool Aid. I never suggested anyone be disallowed from posting in this subject, however this thread is/was somewhat dead and gone, resurrected by someone doing a blow by blow reply and now by your resurfacing given that you have a "friend" here that seems to align with your way of thinking. There is a big difference to replying in the moment vs. after the fact. As for my clairvoyance with regards to those against the project, all it takes is to actually read the appeals…and I wonder Karl if that is something you have bothered to do yet or are you still just getting the backs of your buddies?
Karl Ian Sagal August 06, 2012 at 02:35 PM
Mathew, When you are right, you are right. Asking you for civility is a lost cause. I agree. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term. I do not know of the forked tongue you speak of, but civility does not mean not disagreeing, it simply means not insulting people for the sake of it. Calling people names and assigning them motivations are not civil. Calling them out for what they have said, may or may not be, depending on the language used. Simply holding them accountable to the posts they made, without calling them names is not particularly uncivil. As far as being 'holier then thou' attitude, that is a matter of perspective. I have acknowledged and apologized when wrong, which is not done on this forum by other than me, or at least I have seen very few admissions of mistakes other than by me. I am curious as to these personal insults you say I wield so freely. I do label things I read here freely, but not so much the people who post them. Again, because as you said, you have said that my complaining about civility is lost on you, if I say a thing a person said is cowardly, it is not the same as saying that a person is a coward. If a person acts as a coward, it is not the same as saying that they have a grudge against the town. One is a comment on a displayed action, the other is a guess as to motivation. I do know that this is a waste of my time to explain this to you. A person cannot see if their eyes are closed.
Mathew Jancsics August 06, 2012 at 02:43 PM
Ahh yes, let us continue to dwell on past posts of others and rehash the same arguments which have little to nothing with the topic at hand, seems the only skill you’re adept at Karl. As I said, it would be far more honest of you to simply admit you do truly feel the actions of the appellants are right and just. For the rest of it, I am not the first and presumably won’t be the last who feels you deliver your messages enveloped in an air of condescension. When you openly admit to having actually read the appeals then maybe this discussion will be worth continuing, until then seems like a good helping of the same old same old, let me agree with Christine and reiterate her “yawn”
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 03:17 PM
that is a 'sound pun' and i do not find it amusing. oh well!. patch wont let me say it all in one post, they limit my characters. I am not commenting on the school yay or nay.. merely the intolerance of those that call themselves the majority, vs those that are not agreeing with them. tolerance of other people, should NOT be conditional on which side they are on!. apparently you missed that point!
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 03:22 PM
I respond when the emails come in. i get each one, by itself rather then on the board so to speak, and un beknown to many, i do other things besides sit and read this forum. today and last night, i was a captive audience, not by the rhetoric here, but by mother nature. my ancestors taught me to be tolerant with all things, even if they are bent on a path different from mine. I hear Mother Earth beneath my feet, and Im guided by Creator.
Mathew Jancsics August 06, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Josephine, The great thing about this place is that you don’t have to find that amusing, just as I don’t have to feel the need to take the time or effort into properly forming Latin phrases for quips, possibly I should just google them. I feel you’re using this position of “anti” intolerance to illicit sympathy towards the appellants, a group you seemingly identify with given your few contributions to this thread…if going on about supposed “wrongdoings” of the masses in the space of unjust behavior makes you feel your position is stronger you’re free to believe that, just don’t expect anyone else to at this point. This is a very heated issue, and stands to get more volatile as the reality of more lost/wasted monies becomes a clearer reality for the rest of those who aren’t currently paying attention. Actions speak, and the appellants are speaking rather clearly in that their sole intent is to further delay and cause more hardship, can’t state it enough that all of these supposed “issues” have been discussed ad nauseum, the appellants had every opportunity to work with town management but again are selecting the path of greatest resistance. The good is that the Highschool will get built, to the specifications as already decided upon, and in the location currently designated, but the question is how long and at what cost will the inevitable be delayed.
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 05:16 PM
Mathew, what part of my stating several times, that im NEUTRAL about the school. which means that i take NO SIDE in the argument, just the tone of words used. Christine asked what this was teaching the children. & THAT has been my focus.. as all this negativity towards others regarding this is NOT a good example for Children, not even high schoolers, to see adults slinging out hate filled words towards others that they may not have the knowledge of that person's walk thru life. (that adage, about walking a mile in anothers shoes before judging them) and the latin quote? I learned that My jr year in high school.. I took Latin, even though its a dead language, it is still the foundation for a LOT of the languages in the world. and in English Literature, my sr year, we studied shakespeare (which is where my quote came from) as to what the other gentleman quoted, i could translate it without google.. (and i still have my HS latin book, although its in the closet) the only stmts i have made is towards the language & Hate filled words that are present, by people that use disparaging rhetoric towards people that do not agree with them, & try to remind them, that history is starting to repeat itself, and that it got those people, no where, except to be the joke in the history books, destroyed many people and families, and didnt gain anything at all. I would suggest that you read my posts, rather then react to them.
Josephine MorningStar August 06, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Mathew wrote: The good is that the Highschool will get built, to the specifications as already decided upon --------- except didnt you know that the specifications that were agreed upon at the meetings, were NOT in the first filing the town made??? so in order FOR the HS to get built to the specifications that were already decided on.. the first appeal HAD to have been made and WON.. Well, its nice to know you agreed with that first appeal then... as per your stmts!!!
Al Roberts August 06, 2012 at 05:57 PM
KARLSPEAK: "Just because I havent read the appeals, doesnt mean I wont read them, or even intend to read them, or refuse to read them. And just because I havent read them doesnt mean I agree with them, or disagree, or agree to agree or agree to disagree. I dont know why you cant understand what I am saying, because if you do understand, but say you dont understand, I understand that to mean you understand. Or not. Its up to you." What an arrogant clown you are Hat Boy!
Mathew Jancsics August 06, 2012 at 05:59 PM
Josephine, For someone claiming to be neutral you certainly don’t act as such, seems to be about as ridiculous of a statement as if I were to claim I was neutral. With that said, congrats on having taken years in a dead language, as someone who did the same for over 8 years and has flushed most of it out of my mind I really fail to see the point as in my eyes your ad hominem is no better than my sound gag. I find it very very hard to believe your sole motivation in contribution is supposed concern of “fairness” in how people are being treated, and trust me I am reading your posts (rather sorry for that actually). Lastly, with regards to the HS, I am speaking more of location, the inclusion of a turf field, and any of the other nonsense the appellants are bringing up currently. But please continue to fight for those who seemingly don’t need someone to fight for them.
Kevin Mac August 06, 2012 at 06:13 PM
Kevin, Are you posing as Josephine?
Karl Ian Sagal August 07, 2012 at 01:18 PM
Al Roberts. You are clear. You are uncivil to me. You make up a post, say it is like me, and complain about it. Seems pretty desperate and sad to me. I feel sorry that you don't have something of more value to do. On some level, if this is your greatest challenge, then you have a blessed life. Have a nice day, and the readers will decided for themselves where the values lie.
Kevin Mac August 07, 2012 at 02:01 PM
There have been 211 comments on this subject. There is still an appeal taking place whether you agree or not. Can we please put this to rest until the appeal is heard and ruled on.


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