So, don't you need authorization from the Police Dept. to go door-to-door?

Why don't they have discussions about improving the roads and sidewalks at Deming Way and ramps for the handicap and more activities for the fine elderly folks there. The pot holes were massive in size for longer than I can remember until I started complaining about them. These people have contributed to our country and our town for many years so don't insult their intelligence, intimidate them, or minimize their importance in this town. I think the Board should question if policy changes need to be implemented that keep hacks from serving on a board.

Kevin, defending your actions only makes you look more guilty. Go back to Market Basket to get more votes, oh yeah, they don't want you on their property either do they? I'm am confident that all the residents of Deming Way are intelligent citizens-- anyone can be taken advantage of by a smooth talker in an ironed shirt-- happens all the time-- why else would anyone join forces with you- you have nothing but distrust and complaints for this town and those who work here-- try doing something positive for a change.

Kevin you are a twisted hypocrite. You complain all the time about people doing things in an underhanded manner or behind the scenes. Meanwhile, you break clearly stated and posted rules by peddling and soliciting your nonsense to old folks in a senior housing development. You expect us to believe your insane drivel about the amount of oil underground when you cant even see a sign in front of your face? These folks are elderly and don't deserve to have some unstable, brain rattled creeper knocking on their doors and coming inside.

Kevin where do you find the time to do all of the things you do. You can spend multiple hours at every town meeting there is. You roam the town collecting signatures. 5 days a week with your anometer or whatever it was searching for oil, using your CPA training to prepare a new budget for the town and all town proposals. Your engineering skills to draw a new plan for the high school and fields.Helping rescue cats out of trees and shoveling sidewalks. Are you like Michael Keaton in Multiplicity. Are there like 5 or 6 Kevin MacDonalds?

"I can't see you mama
But I can hardly wait
Ooh to touch and to feel you mama
Oh I just can't keep away
In the heat and the steam of the city
Oh it's got me running and I just can't brake
So say you'll help me mama
Cos it's getting so hard - ooooooooh" -"Mama" by Genesis

Kevin - if you can't figure out who Christine is then you aren't as smart as you think you are....Christine is really Christine and makes no real secret as to who she really is so I am not sure where you come up with Mike again. You're slipping! Also, Nurse Kay doesn't contradict herself if Nurse Kay is in fact Nurse Kay. Re-read her post and you will see she is defending seniors all the way and your right to talk to them. Once again, you're slipping. Too much activity and too busy checking up on the town you are getting a little mentally disorganized. I personally think knocking on anyone's door is a bit over the top regardless of any age, gender, location or any other factor. Something tells me the reality is you had no choice, but to go to Deming Way because that truly is the only way you could get the signatures you needed. While on that topic, besides running your mouth about all the wrong in this town. I would like to know what you have done for our seniors? Have you donated your time to them? Served a meal down there? Made any significant contribution to their overall health and well being down there through your own working hands? Made a monetary donation of any kind to speak of for the elderly or any other charitable organization in the town for that matter? Response expected regarding these questions = INSERT THE SOUND OF CRICKETS HERE!!!

Hopefuly the Board Members will go over again with the residence why they have this policy, and how it protects them!! As they have regular meetings and a community board anyone looking to include them, should be able to do so in an appropriate manner!

This one's for you Kevin!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_NSRIEgR_c

What bothers me is the woman quoted in the article responded "What the Heck, I just signed it". To me that is not the response of someone informed on the acutal issues presented, who truly understood what she was signing and had conviction about it. If she was concerned about her taxes, as we all are, does she not understand that delaying the building is just going to increase them further?

According to the Lowell Sun In seems that the person who collected the signatures on Deming way were not completly honest with the people one person whos signed the petition stated that she was told it was to prevent high taxes SO i wonder now who is Machiavelling enough lie to seniors
Rhetorical question

Is this what happens when oil migrates into the wetlands. http://bit.ly/QRSdCD%22

Kevin what are you really trying to get at?

Stephen Costa. Wasn't he the original Kevin MacDonald?

Brian what do you mean by that?

This is Kevin # 4 from Multiplicity. Are people still talking about this. The appeal process can't happen soon enough. Can we move on to something new like the hockey team. They haven't been mentioned in a while.

Nurse Kay, You are connected to the seniors who signed the appeals and I understand your concern and care-- I share your concern too, but I resent your assumptions about townspeople speaking up . The Deming Way residents were COMPLETELY within their rights to sign the appeals--However, every action has a reaction and a consequence..By signing THEY made their names and addresses public information. They wrote their addresses themselves on the appeal. (Continued)

(continued) @ Nurse Kay
You want us to treat these appellants with the same rights and freedoms as every other citizen-then you want us to back off because they now feel they are being targeted by the townspeople speaking up about THEIR rights to fight these appeals.. These appeals are potentially costing the town 3 million in delays AND delaying a better education for our children--MY children too.. You can't have it both ways. You can't deny the rights of some to express themselves, then expect to protect them from the backlash and financial consequences that don't even effect some of them--

The people who signed are supposed to read and understand the appeals-- did they? Grace does not sound like she did (nothing personal--just evidenced by her backtracking). I respect and honor our seniors, as well as their participation in our govt. I have never,nor will I ever ASSUME they were not signing anything willfully and with a sound mind.Never.However, they should also know that they can withdraw their support for the appeal if they weren't informed, didnt read it completely or understand the implications of signing it.. It's a two minute process to get out of the appeal. They should know their choices!

That is the most respectful thing thay can do for the families of the town--IF that's the case.

I'll continue to urge the townspeople to speak up --both publicly/privately so long as it's civil/respectful of all involved.
If I can help my email is cd2240@aol.com

All I know at this point anymore is that I an sick and tired of listening to Kevin MacDonald and this continuing tirade. I am the mother of four young children here in Wilmington, and attended both the first vote and the Town Meeting with ALL four of my children. Truth be told, you scared my children Mr. MacDonald. Not with your information and and stories of "what if", but with your behavior. At this point, all we want as a family is to have this projected started. We, as a family, will stand up at a rally, a Town Meeting, a vigil, a sock hop, whatever it takes to get it done. I think all you've accomplished at this junction is motivate an ENTIRE town to GET THIS PROJECT DONE!! NO, nobody wants to pay more money, we are mostly all in the same boat; NO, nobody wants children to suffer hazards or illnesses; NO, nobody wants to poision wetlands, or water resources. We have addressed all of these concerns many, many times, AND seriously, we have got to move on. All you've done, Appellants, is motivate me further to see this project completed, not just for my children, but for all of the children of the great community, and also for the entire community of the Town of Wilmington, AND the residents of Deming Way.

Donna, It sounds like you are contradicting yourself. You don't want to pay more money, however, when there is an effort made to stop a massive problem with oil migrating into the wetlands that would cost massive amounts of money to solve you disrespect this effort. I guess you think a sock hop is a better remedy. I wonder if you and your children were abutters, with your source of drinking water being a well, would you still feel the same way?

Oh Kevin, are you now Mr O'Reilly's keeper? He's a big boy, let him take care of his own appeal please..You have your own mess to clean up on Andover St., please start in your own back yard...

Mr. MacDonald, I wonder if in part of our current State's Appeal laws, IF the filers are found to be frivoulous in their claims, they could be held financially responsible for the legal fees incurred by the Town, you would continue this foolishness. You are the contradiction here Mr. MacDonald. And do not call me by my first name. That would be Mrs. Leone to you. You need to learn how to treat people with respect. Respect is a mutual thing. Perhaps people may tolerate you better if you showed any respect for anyone, not just for your own agenda. Oh, and I'd sock hop anytime. Maybe you need to go out and have some fun yourself.

There are some here who clearly want the high school built, and are willing to steamroll over any who say anything that will delay or impede that.

Some here say that appellants should be charged 3 million dollars for expressing their opinion within the law, and then also say that someone is not being honest with the residents of Demming way.

Truth is, if you say something that is not true to get them to sign the appeal (no one has offered any evidence to this) it would be wrong, but no more wrong than threatening to tar and feather (has been done) and to charge them $3 millon (has been done) or restricting their rights that everyone else has to speak with pollsters and other religious and political community activists.

I think the greater harm and infringement to the rights of Demming way residents done and witnessed on this forum has clearly been done by those who would take away their rights, and charge them $3 million. Not by those who spoke to them and allowed them to sign a petition that has delayed their tax increase.

Lets look at it realistically. The spoken of resident is 93? If her actions delay her tax increase a year or two, might that not take it off her plate entirely? I hope not. But while I hope she sees the payoff of the tax increase in 25 years, I suspect that it is not likely.

Nurse Kay is right. If Kevin is a problem, the solution is not to remover rights from the residents of Demming way. If he was no problem, then it is punitive.

The appeals come with a cost. Citizens are upset at having to pay this added bill. Kevin's appeal, demeanor, forum posts and past actions in meetings strongly suggest he has some issues with some people here in town.

The appeal system is being abused and used to further a personal vendetta. Citizens are frustrated that this continues.

The Deming Way residents have a right to be heard and not stuck with a $3 million dollar bill. I don't approve of anyone harassing them either. It's my understanding that Kevin went to them though. I think they are being misrepresented as citizens actively seeking this appeal based on the actual issues in the appeal. If the goal of their signing the appeal is as you say, Karl, to delay taxes, that's missing the point of the appeal and very unfortunate. We already voted for this and not having taxes raised is not grounds for an appeal nor what these appeals are about. Kevin's appeal is about issues such as Installation of artificial turf, Off-site mitigation areas, Activity and Use Limitation and Stormwater Management. I sincerely hope those are the reasons people really signed the appeal.

The scrutiny should be on Kevin, the appeals and the appeal process, not the citizens (victims?) of Deming Way who signed the appeal.

You shouldn't live your life based on feelings " Wade"

Oh for crying out loud! I can barely stand to read any of these comments anymore! These forums have just disintegrated into grade-school nonsense. Kevin, "Wade" is really Wade. "Christine" is really Christine. And before you jump all over someone who is actually commending you for once (like Nurse Kay), perhaps you should take the time to READ THE COMMENT and understand it!

Karl, before you leap all over me - I actually defend the appellants' right to their appeal. I get the whole democracy thing, so please don't lecture me on it. I am concerned about the environment and do all I can as an individual to protect it by trying to buy green, recycling, etc... If that is the TRUE motivation behind the appeal, fine. But alas, reading comments from Kevin (which for some reason, Karl, you never berate him), leads me to believe that the reasoning behind the appeal is anything but genuine. I have watched him many times at town meetings where he makes personal accusations against town leaders and employees. You get respect when you give respect. (to be continued)

(continued) As for the school, I am all for it. The existing high school is dismal at best. No, buildings don't make better students, but a fresh, attractive environment is conducive to learning. Who wants to work hard at anything when you're looking at four drab, beige walls? And trying to retrofit new technology into an old building is hairy. I know, I watched it happen to my office. Guess what? Two years later the business moved into a space that could be tailored to meet our tech needs.

The high school will end up being built. It will most definitely cost more due to the delays. And I guarantee that most of the appellants will complain bitterly about the cost at a future town meeting.

Now I bid you all adieu, as I just cannot take part in these forums any longer. It only makes my blood pressure go up. I've tried never to be hateful or hurtful. I have never advocated tarring and feathering anyway. Wade, I'm with you buddy. And Karl, please don't bother to comment on this. I won't read it.

I don't really care who reads this, as this forum is populated with a large amount of bomb throwers and liars, but there are others here as well.

I do not believe any reasonable person can say that this site has not maligned and berated everyone associated with all the appeals, even though the DEP has vindicated the first two. Clearly, those who signed the appeals have their own reasons, but have been harangued and browbeat and threatened here very often. It is disgusting, and every bit as bad as the tactics and wording that Kevin uses.

I have not endorsed his actions, and have publicly and frequently said he did not present himself well. or appropriately. I do it again here. He was foolish and dismissive to Nurse Kay, and that was wrong.

That does not mean he does not have the right to say his piece, and to file his papers. He may not always say that which I agree with, but that does not mean I will not defend his right to say it. I always have, and hope to continue to do it in the future.

Just as several of us here have said, when some of the bomb throwers here said that people aught not have the right to appeal, and that the people who have a problem with the papers submitted to the state by the building committee, regardless of if those papers where what they said they would submit, they have moved on to try to take away the rights from people at Deming Way. Soon, there will be more people who these folks feel do not deserve to have rights.

Nurse Kay,
Like I posted earlier I have NEVER and will never encourage disrespect of our seniors or deny one's right to appeal this process, but I will not discourage active participation either- we've had patience with the process, but it is broken and frivolous in my opinion. So long as everyone signed willingly and with full knowledge of the FACTS-- there are no victims here--

Think about it this way--this is an ENVIRONMENTAL appeal-- that WILL cost the town millions, should we all sit back and just accept it? The signers here have all the protections, the taxpayers, kids and Wilmington educators do not.

The appellants took serious ACTION by signing the appeal--this is a big deal-- and the good solid information the public is learning from this (myself included) will serve our town better in the future.
Yes we have a problem with a PROCESS, but I have never made ANY question as to the competency of any of our seniors--ever-- they were in their full rights and mind to sign whatever they want. They are feisty, smart, and experienced members of our town who could easily put me in my place.

That said..I do not feel that need you to be calling anyone's reaction to this appeal, wrong, disgusting or "daggers". People have every right to be dissatisfied, express themselves and disapprove of the appeal. Unfortunately, there would be no appeal were it not for the signers.

That said...
*Grace said her "reason" for signing an environmental appeal was a tax issue--if that's true, that is wrong, the others refused to comment acccording to the paper
*Several of the signers did not vote in the high school process or participate anywhere along the way, nor do some pay property taxes at all-while many of us are willing to do even when we are trying to raise our kids in this crazy economy.
*Even the state of MA is beginning to see the light in how easy it is to manipulate large scale projects through the DEP process by awarding ($19,000) in financial damages to those who could not show they had a true interest in the project it upheld. This is only further evidence that change is brewing.

Please do not pit me/us against our seniors because they have guts and can stand up quite well on their own and I sincerely respect them..

I went to the housing meeting this week and one senior asked me at the housing meeting, "Did I learn something today?" to which I responded "I still have a LOT to learn" and she said "so do I"...don't we all?

I am not the enemy of anyone.. I am actually an advocate for a living-- here's my email-- contact me and let's stand on the same "side" in getting out good solid information and a message of respect for all involved. I would gladly speak with you anytime. cd2240@aol.com

Kevin, again please answer me this, are the meetings that open to the public

Christine, it appears to me, and has from the beginning, contrary to the way Mr. MacDonald has actually voted openly in meetings FOR the new high school and against his own articles, that his bottom line is he has absolutely no desire to have a new high school built. Period. And as you have said, and I have discussed with friends and neighbors, if he approached people and subjects in another nonconfrontational, namecalling, insulting way, people might actually listen and give him an opportunity to air his thoughts and opinions. However, I do believe now, that this has become some kind of personal crusade of stopping the building of this new high school at a whatever-it-takes mentality. Mr. MacDonald won't ever stop fighting this project. Ever. He has no solutions to offer. He would only be happy if the DEP tanked the entire project or the Town gave up.