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New Airport Full-Body Scans: Addresses Privacy Concerns, or Still Worrisome?

The Boston Globe reports that the Transportation Security Administration unveiled new body scanners that show less details to TSA screeners. Does this cool the debate over the scanners, or are they still worrisome?

 

When full-body scanners at airports became prevalent at airports in recent years, it stoked a debate over whether the scanners are too invasive.

Yesterday, however, the Boston Globe reported that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) unveiled new body scanners that show less details to TSA screeners. Instead of detailed images viewed in a private room by security personnel, the scanners initially only produce generic outlines of passengers, while still picking up on weapons or suspicious objects on a would-be traveller's body. 

When full-body scans were introduced, some protested that the images were too intrusive and that the scans themselves would be ineffective because they would not detect "low-density" materials like plastics, chemicals and liquids. Others argued over health risks. Passengers were not required to go through the full-body scanners and could opt out for a pat-down.

Those in favor of the scanners argued that they reveal metallic and non-metallic items, are less instrusive and more effective than pat-downs, and that they do not produce naked images of travellers—a concern seemingly rendered moot by the new scanners, which use electromagnetic waves instead of X-rays.

With yesterday's announcement by the TSA, we want to know: Has your opinion of full-body scanners at the airport changed? Did you opt-out before and won't anymore, or do you still have concerns over the full-body scans? Or did you not have any problem with the scanners in the first place? Tell us your thoughts in the comments below.

Related Topics: Logan International Airport, Terrorism, Transportation Security Administation, Travel, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and full-body scanners

Chip Jacobs

11:42 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

This just seems like such a wasted opportunity. The feds could have created a subscription-only website of the inappropriate scans (no faces, of course) and chopped hundreds of billions of dollars off the budget deficit without raising taxes. Oh, well. I guess it's too late now.

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Courtney O'Keefe

11:45 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

I would write, "Call me maybe?" with my phone number on my butt cheek to see if they would laugh at it. You can take the girl out of Somerville, but you can't take the Somerville out of the girl.

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Witold

11:50 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

Every single one of these things is an expensive boondoggle. It has been shown time and time again that to defeat such a scanner is simple.

Also, whoever wrote "electromagnetic waves instead of X-rays" has no grasp of what they are talking about, as, last time i checked, x-ray are electromagnetic radiation(waves)!

Finally, I worry about the TSA employees (they are not agents, not officers, they are employees) who have to stand next to these things and don't even get an x-ray dosimeter!

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AnnieOMalden

1:50 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

I have no problem with the scan...I feel bad for the poor slugger who has to view my body! LOL

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Old Lady

6:10 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Funny! I feel the same way!

quasimodo

10:16 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012

The "new" scanners at Logan do not use back-scattered x-rays as a probe, but millimeter-waves (30GHz to 300GHz frequency), which are by far much safer to use for everybody involved.

By the way, the x-ray scanners were banned in Europe since one year ago, not because of the "revealing" pictures they produced (a problem which can easily be solved), but because of health and safety concerns.

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mplo

8:03 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Europeans are way smarter and way ahead of the United States, not to mention being more aware than the USA, of possible health and safety hazards of this kind of extensively invasive procedure. Leave it to the good old USA not to give a rat's ass about the public's health and safety, not to mention people's privacy.

quasimodo

10:42 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012

I would add, regarding these x-ray scanners, that the FDA and the TSA have repeatedly stated that the x-ray doses during exposure at a full-body scanner is such as to present a “minuscule” risk. However “minuscule” is not “non-existent,” when large percentage of the flying public is exposed to more x-rays. It just depends how one considers the problem: the risk for a single trip through the scanner, the risk of multi-trips for pilots and flight attendants, and finally the risk to the general public.
To illustrate the problem, let’s assume that a given activity involves a very small cancer risk, say one in a million (but these are not necessarily numbers for airport scanners, just to illustrate what a population risk mean). Now suppose that only 10 people are exposed to that small risk: chances are none of them would ever get cancer as the result of that activity. If we now consider one billion people each exposed to that same risk of one in a million: chances are now that some of them (we wouldn’t know which of them) would get cancer as a result of that activity. So even though the individual risk is very small, the impact on a large population may not be small ((currently, in the US, about 700 million people go through airport security each year, and the number is expected to grow to one billion over the next decade).

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Joe Veno

7:49 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012

The people who complain about the added security and the scanning machines should remember one thing that happened.....SEPTEMBER 11, 2001

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Steevo

10:51 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012

Joe, nobody could have imagined our government treating us all as potentially evil before 9/11. I'd say some truly evil people consider the destruction of the Twin Towers a success story in the knowledge Americans are less trusting with less freedom. From little boys and girls to grandmothers and grandfathers... all with the same uncertainty, must surely bring a smile to fanatical haters of our country.

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Donald Mei

1:03 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Joe,
The terrorists don't win when they knock down an airplane. They win when they get us to change how we live. Every time an 85 year old WWII vet has to get enhanced screening when a 28 year old male Yemeni "student" walks through because he wasn't randomly selected, the terrorists win. Every time a TSA screener gropes someone who opts out, the terrorists win. I might even say that every time you or I take our shoes off, they win. Every time the DHS builds another Billion dollar building, they win. Every time a VIPR team makes people show ID before getting on the T, they win. It goes on and on.

Sorry Joe. My attitude is that they can kill a few of us. Fine. But its when we live in fear that they win.

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paul surette

5:12 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

EXACTLY Joe....thank you! We as a nation have become yet again complacent in our daily lives. Does anyone think the citizens of Israel complain about searches? The people who whine about being Inconvenienced by a search, I have a question for you....would you rather suffer a slight 'inconvenience' now, or be a name of some tragedy that's read on the nightly news? Grow up people! It's a different world now.

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mplo

10:20 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

A certain amount of security is necessary in airports, but there's such a thing as really overdoing it, as our government has done since 9/11.

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Melissa Gleaton

10:43 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

If you are not treating EVERY SINGLE PASSENGER with the same scrutiny, this is all for naught. And you can't use Israel as an example, because they profile people, which we are not allowed to do.

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Charles St. Meow

10:58 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Melissa, you're kidding yourself if you think that the TSA doesn't profile passengers.

quasimodo

8:22 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012

Scanning machines have not contributed to any increase in security, but they surely have increased the bank accounts of many people, starting with Micheal Chertoff. And History has shown that the TSA is totally incompetent, employing rude and incompetent bottom-of- the-barrel people (but TSA is damn expensive). Some added security!

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Joe Veno

5:43 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

@ Steevo. I agree but our world and our lives has changed because of 9/11. I do not like all the changes but it is part of our life now..

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Donald Mei

1:06 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

It doesn't have to be. All this . . . stuff . . gets us nothing.

Please do me a favor and read this: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/the-things-he-carried/307057/

It describes in painful detail how amazingly pointless all this "hardening" is. What we see at the airport truly is security THEATER. Not real security.

Mike G.

7:50 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Freedom, Security, Convenience: pick two.

I would rather go through a body scanner than be blown to bits in midair. If you don't like the security measures taken to get on a plane, then don't fly.

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mplo

10:22 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Ben Franklin once said: "A person who gives up their liberty for a modicum of temporary security and safety will get neither." That applies here, imho.

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Donald Mei

6:55 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

The Baaaing of the sheep just got louder.

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Mark Ouellette

9:45 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

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Jennifer

9:47 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Donald the safety of our children is what matters. Sorry if you're inconvienced.

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Donald Mei

6:57 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Oh my god. This had descended into a cliche. Its for the children. (said with a yiddish accent)

Jennifer - you don't seem to realize something important. This security theater doesn't actually make us safer.

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Mike G.

10:44 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

It must be hard to get on a plane with a tinfoil hat.

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Donald Mei

8:46 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

I'm not a member of the tinfoil hat crowd. I just know that everything other than hardening cockpit doors and increasing the number of air marshals has done absolutely nothing for airport security.

EL Landers

9:15 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Anyone wearing a burka does not have to be scanned. How safe does that make you feel?

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Dave Gray

10:13 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

There is no security. A committed, determined insurgent - and I learned this the hard way 45 years ago - will at least partially succeed about 50% of the time. The only way to possibly prevent even a majority of potential attacks is to treat absolutely everyone as potential threats, 100% of the time. Maybe that sounds a little paranoid - but are you paranoid if there really are people out to get you? Even when caught, they have succeeded, because the whole point is to cause exactly the fear we now endure. That's why they call it terrorism. The only sure-fire option is to go 100% proactive. Unfortunately, that would probably cause World War Three.

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Melissa Gleaton

12:11 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

You're right, Dave. You can't be SURE unless you treat everyone suspect, and then have them scanned, searched and deemed no threat. And the fact that each airport does their security differently blows my mind. I flew out of Logan in big wide leg jeans with no problem. Went through the scanner and on my way. When flying home out of Regan National, wearing the same jeans, I went through the scanner and then was patted down because of my wide leg jeans.

I don't like the new scanner, but I like traveling more than I hate this security BS, so I continue to fly.

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mplo

12:55 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

That's absolutely and totally beyond stupid, Dave! You're willing to give up your liberty for a modicum of supposed safety and security? That's a bunch of BS, imho. Why should people be profiled indiscriminately when they get on any form of long-distance public transportation? They shouldn't, and such a policy would make already-bad situations worse, not better.

EL Landers

11:23 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

You're absolutely right, Dave.

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Don

12:04 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

The best thing I think I ever saw is some guy getting so mad at the Homeland Security that he just took off all his clothes when he went through the line. The guy just stripped, put all his clothes in the little bin and walked naked through the scanner. Of course, he was arrested but every one was laughing out of control. Go Massport.

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mplo

9:25 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

I'm way late in responding to this post, Don, but thanks for the morning laugh!

Alex Finnegan

8:22 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

I have a problem with random scanning. Scanning an American 8 year old of an American family is a waste. Also when the old lady's number comes up. There is a particular demographic to watch out for and leaving race out of it, it's men. Israel has one of the safest airports anywhere and they use profiling among other things successfully.

Everyone acts like profiling is a bad thing but say you are a woman walking towards an elevator in a parking garage and it is filled with big, scary, tattooed, male bikers. You might just walk a little slower and catch the next one. You just profiled and it possibly could save your life someday. What about one but there is just something about the way he looks that gives you a bad feeling. You are profiling again. Profiling is used successfully by criminal psychologists, practiced by all of us with a sense of self preservation, and a perfectly healthy behavior. It's a safety mechanism we are born with.

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Alex Finnegan

8:22 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

It can be used wrongly and that should always have it's consequences, but randomly searching by "lottery" numbers does nothing. Shoe bomber got on the plane, Underwear bomber iirc got on the plane. This last guy who WAS ON THE NO FLY LIST got on the plane. This random searching so as to not hurt anyone's feelings doesn't work at all. A professionally trained profiler can tell within a few minutes whether you are hiding something and almost all the people they catch are young male men. Many of which get passed over by our lottery system. But profiling is the most effective method we just don't want to do it b/c we don't want to hurt people's feelings. Instead we all pass through the "Naked Picture" machine (which doesn't work either) Make everyone suffer so that some people don't have to.

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mplo

9:35 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Making the majority suffer in the hopes of catching a suspicious minority of people? That won't work, either, because, all too often, that's precisely what profiling does.

sean

11:12 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I say, we can't do anything about it.... So why complain about it!

just opt out of flying. There are other means of transportation. Train, car, bus, boat.

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paul surette

4:29 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

to Mplo, would you rather be slightly inconvenienced and breathing, or dead? Seems to me the choices are pretty clear. I long for the day when people stop their whining about airports. Go live in Tel Aviv, then tell me how bad you really have it here! Jesus

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mplo

11:14 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The United States has acted extremely stupidly regarding security since 9/11. We are not Israel, and Israel isn't the United States. Israel has had to beef up their security at airports/airliners for a reason. The United States has had no such reason for that, and I'll also add that, as much as I, too love the United States (which is my homeland and place of being born and raised.), I can still criticize what my government does and speak out when it acts irresponsibly, which, unfortunately, even now, it does most of the time. This is a good example. It won't make us any safer. If you think it will, you're kidding yourself, imho.

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Bob

1:19 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

mplo - exactly what the assault weapons ban will do. Won't make anyone safer but the nanny state can say they did something.
Israel profiles but they do so with agent throughout the terminals not at the gates. They make eye contact and if they suspect something they go and start a conversation. If you are fidgeting and nervous they ask questions. Very affective, less costly and much less restrictive.

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mplo

11:09 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

It'll get to be more than a "slight inconvenience" when they start randomly searching, screening and scanning everybody who gets on an airliner at any airport. Also, unlike the United States, Israel is a very small country, and, unlike the U. S. A., they've had very serious security problems, so suggesting that I go and live in Tel Aviv is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

Melissa Gleaton

6:24 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Again, no one should feel secure when they are not screening EVERYONE at ALL US airports uniformly. And if they ever were to implement that, it would be more than a "slight" inconvenience.

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Joe Veno

6:37 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Melissa, What airports are they not screening everyone at? I have not heard this.

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Melissa Gleaton

7:20 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I wore the same outfit flying out of boston and then flying home from washington dc. In Boston, I went through the scanner and on my way. In Washington, I went through the scanner and was patted down because my clothes were "too baggy". Who makes that decision? How can it be evenly applied?

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peter lucci

8:07 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

How are you doing Joe? Have you gotten over your prediction of a GOP sweep?

paul surette

8:22 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Melissa, you HAVE travel choices. If you don't like the screenings at the airport, then I suggest you take a train, or drive. After 911, we live in a different world now, so you're going to need to adapt, and stop complaining. Jesus!

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Mike G.

9:02 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Paul, mark the calendar, I completely agree.

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Bob

1:20 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Really Paul? Are you that much of a lamb that you give all your freedoms to Uncle Sam and accept what ever they say? Jesus in deed!

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Donald Mei

7:42 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Paul,
I bet you happily comply with DUI and VIPR checkpoints also. After all, its for the children.

Joe Veno

9:09 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Melissa, That does not answer my question. You stated all airports are not screening everyone. I asked which airports are not screening everyone. Because you were patted down in one airport and not in the other does not mean they are not screening everyone. You still went throgh the metal detector in both airports correct?

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david mokal

9:11 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

@Mike.. Do they have trains and busses that go across the Atlantic to Europe? I must have missed somthin?

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Mike G.

9:22 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

They don't, that's why either suck it up and deal with it, or start swimming :)

paul surette

9:18 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Mike, agreed noticed, and Polaroid taken :)

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paul surette

8:02 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Lol, Donald Mei.....I have been subjected to TWO police checkpoints...twice I was told I needed to comply with a search. Twice I had to recite what the Supreme Court said about 'reasonable & warantless ' searches. I am THE last guy to comply with anything. Nice try, cupcake! I submitted to NOTHING, and walked away with my rights STILL intact! And your welcome! You've been served, sir!

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david mokal

9:11 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Geesh Paul they must have been broken hearted. They didnt get to look at your Thingy. Now an old geezer like me would have eaten a box of prunes and when I had to bend over I would have crapped on them. FUN !! :>)

david mokal

9:02 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Most of your TSA workers are politially put in in which many are Perves. They love that job cause they get to see what you own. Wear lead undies.

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Mike G.

5:15 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

If someone wants to see a silhouette of my bare ass through airport security, then more power to 'em.

david mokal

9:22 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Why..Why..Why everytime Evil Hits us we all have to suffer and change our lives. Never fails. To travel we have to have strange people look into our bodies who never had any background checks. Why because we are they prey for the Government. The easy way out. Country runs out of money? Lets grab the Geezers paychecks their gonna die anyway. City,Feds,State all the same. They all have licences to steal from we the Americans. Not me Ive had enough X Rays from medical reasons Im not standing in front of no machine so some perve can look at my MoJo for anyone. Boycott the airlines. Train ..Bus..Taxi..Hitchike..Automobile Freighter...

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paul surette

8:20 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I'm sorry, Mr. Mokal...but that last post has to be the most convoluted remark you've made to date.

Mike G.

9:36 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Hey, if someone wants to look at my body so I can travel on a plane without being blown to bits, more power to 'em.

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Mike G.

9:40 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

I love what a first-world mentality we have, thinking airport screenings are oppression and loss of freedom.

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mplo

2:37 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

The fact that they've implemented such screenings in many places here in the United States is strongly indicative of a third-world mentality, not the other way around.

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paul surette

8:16 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

MIke, where do people like mplo come from?

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Donald Mei

9:51 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

All of this screening might be more tolerable if it weren't for the fact that it doesn't do any good.

Does anyone really think terrorists are going to try to sneak stuff through security? Why would they when one of them could simply get a job working at the airport and plant weapons and explosives on the aircraft for the others to use.

Or simply put a remote controlled or altitude controlled bomb in checked luggage. They are not stupid. They know that if they try to take over an aircraft, it will nto be the same as on 9/11. People will not comply. We complied on 9/11 because 40 years of hijacking experience showed that if you did what they said, the plane would fly somewhere then everyone would get off.

9/11 was a fundamental shift. Experience then has shown that people will challenge hijackers. Weapons being smuggled onboard carry on luggage or on someone's person will not be how the next terrorist act against aircraft is done.

Shoot - look at the huge lines queued up waiting to get through security. The lines themselves are attractive targets.

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Mike G.

5:12 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Donald, you watch way too many movies.

paul surette

8:17 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I think the TSA should just search Diana....then maybe they will find my hot apple pie :(

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paul surette

4:38 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Again, Donald.....quite simply, don't fly! Then your problem is solved. Now quit your whining!

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paul surette

5:27 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Donald, Reynolds Wrap called....they said your tin foil hat is ready to be picked up :)

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EL Landers

6:46 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

One can't always just NOT fly. In an emergency, in order to get there in a timely manner, one often HAS to. It's not really a choice. I just love when someone says there's a choice....just don't fly. They obviously have never faced an emergency where one absolutely has to fly. Donald is right. I'm familiar with Logan Airport and there are dozens of other ways someone can get nearly anything through security.

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quasimodo

1:09 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Like always, it’s all about money, and these controversial x-ray scanners are apparently here to stay! Back in Oct, 2012, TSA signed a $245 million contract with American Sciences & Engineering (AS&E), although, at present, the TSA has about 250 mothballed such machines, which cost the government $40 million. It now intends to have these machines installed in federal government buildings in order to justify their being purchased. At the same time, these x-ray scanners being removed from major airports are being moved to smaller airports all over the country.

The fact remain that the probability of dying in a terrorist attack is the same as the probability of getting cancer when passing through the x-ray scanner just one time.

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