The proposed High School is a DISASTER, the High School Building Committee is a DISASTER and The Board of Selectmen Is a DISASTER. The people of Wilmington are starting to realize they are being shafted. Who in their right mind puts a permeable paved area over an oil spill area when oil floats on water. There is no plan to clean up the oil. If water is drained there, oil will rise up onto the paved area eventually. We live in an area with frost in the winter. Who wants their new parking area pre-planned to fail due to water draining through it setting it up for frost heaves. Who wants a massive law suit because the Town built something in a way that causes oil additives to move into a wetlands area that is a tributary to other communities and their water supplies. I believe it is time to start thinking about a recall election for the entire Board of Selectmen.

Boom... I say BOOM... Mr macdonald you are the disaster...i say disaster... That boy just aint right

Moved to Wilmington 3 years ago, was thrilled with how well-run the town is and the welcome received from everyone we met. My wife and I attended our first town meeting, excited for the opportunity to participate in pure democracy. MacDonald bloviated as nauseum (as usual), appears to relish the sound of his own voice. We bailed after 2 hours, and weren't the first to leave. It's very disappointing that a few cranks can cost the town so much and disenfranchise our students.

What is a disaster is people delaying what is NEEDED for this town and for the future of our children. What is a disaster is that a group of 10-13 people can put a hold on something that has been VOTED AND APPROVED FOR. Shame on all of them and when the costs go up due to delays I hope we can send this "group" our bill.

Yes Kevin, the residents of Wilmington are starting to realize that they are being shafted, by 13 individuals who didn't get their way in two consecutive town meetings, a town election and numerous appeals to the DEP and Conservation Commission and who are now pushing their own personal agendas to kibosh a project supported by an overwhelming majority of residents. Yes, the people of Wilmington, especially the children of Wilmington, are being shafted.

Is there a lawyer on the Patch board? Cause I have a question? Can Kevin MacDonald be Sued for False representation of our town and slander?? If so, let's do it.

Hey Kevin, how about the waste of money these appeals are going to cost the tax payers in Wilmington.That's okay because it's your cause and the 13 others . You are a fraud.

I am proud of my military service and I volunteered to protect our country from threats both foreign and domestic.
Our government has a key aspect in that you can appeal decisions made. This is one our highest and most important rights.
I was very much against this high school project as it is, and said so very publicly. I did not sell my concept of the better way to proceed (with a rebuild toward specific goals) and the town cabal did a much better job of selling their concept.
That is the way our government works. I spoke, others spoke. A vote was taken, and while I was not in agreement with the majority, I am willing to admit my defeat, and it is time to move in the direction that was established by the majority.
It does not mean it is right, or I have to agree that it was the best path, but it is the path the town will take. Because it is the path that has been established, it is time to move on down that path. I believe that appropriate watchdogs need to be in place to assure the minimum of damage to the environment, but we need to move on, in my opinion.
So, I have no problem with people being frustrated, I have no problem with people feeling the need to appeal decisions. I do have a problem with people saying others should be sued or held up in some way because of expressing their opinions that the law provides for them to do.
I do not agree with all that has happened, but this is a great town, because of ALL those who work hard to keep it that way.

Could there be some type of Civil charges brought up against the 13 in order to have them be responsible for the Overruns? Maybe some type of Class Action Lawsuit for town residents to join? I fully admit that I know very little about the legal system so I don't really know what, if anything, is possible.

What a sad bunch of pompous, self-absorbed and selfish people. We have plenty of PAID oversight from our local and state govt to make sure this project carefully considers our environment. This is not about the environment, and those you align yourself with speak volumes about who you really are-- like hearing your own voices much? The town has spoken and now the town should speak out about this--shame on you for delaying the kids' new school and incurring an expensive delay.

Maxine
Please do not stoop to make this a conservative vs Liberal issue it is not, and to do so is just wrong in so many ways, Please do not paint with a broad brush. These are 13 people who are standing in the way of the wishes of the Majority, like it or not ( and I do not ) the appeal process is their right . Voltere once said " I may not agree with what you say but I will lay down my life for your right to say it " So I will defend there rights to speak and to seek redress. Once the system has been worked through and they loose then they must step asside.
To play the conservative card though is wrong this is not a conservative Liberal issue . It is an issue of simple democracy and rule of law

OK, so does anyone on this thread know what the appeals process is for this kind of project? I mean, the 13 appealed to the Conservation Commission, the Conservation Commission ruled, and now the 13 are appealing the Conservation Commission ruling-- how long and how far is the appeal process? And honestly, does anyone REALLY believe that this is being done in "good faith" and not to delay, and possibly obstruct the building of the new high school altogether? It seems like there would be some meeting in the middle if the 13 were truly willing to work with community. Seems like that chance was at the last Conservation Commission meeting, when concessions were made, and both sides seemed agreeable, so why the surprise appeal this week? Just sayin'...

George Lingenfelter, Ilora Lingenfelter, Gerald O’Reilly, Michael Bodnar, David Romanski, Walter Collings, Dennis Rooney, Timothy Norton, Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan, Bradley Stevenson, Daniel Baima and Charles Baima. I don't think anyone of these 13 know what they are doing... I'm not going to mention any two by name" Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" But I believe there are to individuals that are doing this for personal reasons" Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" They are to nasty individuals that have an ax to grind with the town Manager. " Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" are the ring leaders of this merry band of malcontents that have tried to stay behind the seems. " Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" are the ones that are trying to delay this project for personal REASIONS. We were told we did not know what we were voting on by" Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" If you asked any one of the 13 except" Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" they will have no clue what the appeal is about. Mr. Lingenfelter comes before town meeting to change a town bylaw for a personal dispute with his neighbor's and now he wants to delay this project with " Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan" . " Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan should just let the will of the voter's go forward with this project. I'm so upset with what is going on here I can hardly type this message without breaking my key board...." Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan".

What's the hurry? Better to be safe than sorry. The added extra costs, arn't nearly as costly as the New High School is going to be. The kids won't suffer come on really now. Who's gonna suffer are the taxpayers of Wilmington. Don't let the numbers fool you, there are more people than you know about that are not for this.

1,426 in favor...31 apposed... What part of these numbers do you not understand???

When you think about it 1,426 is not alot of people. We have a few people appealing it, and they have every right to do so. Maybe cause they talk to people who are not in the 1,426 who voted in favor.

Here's the process -- June 7th site visit-- we can all show up and show our support FOR the new high school when Jill provencal, DEP agent comes--if nothing else-- it will simply reinforce conviction for the project . Two if the DEP does not uphold their appeal they could get a lawyer and move forward (so basically- put up or shut up) Then, it's our turn to lawyer up--because the DEP will have to stand behind this group of ------- if they uphold their appeal---hopefully the DEP will find the protections in place were adequate and will this great project forward for the betterment of the town :)

Time to start calling Mr. Miceli's Office and ask him to back us up...I know he will

Mary Ann, they HAVE spoken again and again and again--the problem IS that no one is listening-- so NOW they are abusing a process as a stall tactic-better safe than sorry does not apply here--we already have a DEP to oversee projects and there are numerous CONDITIONS and very clear regulations already in place for our wetlands--- ask anyone in town who wants to build, dig, move , fence or fill! Why does this group think they can do better than the DEP? I know why because at least the ones I've seen in action they are angry, bitter people

Mary Ann, they HAVE spoken again and again and again--the problem IS that no one is listening-- so NOW they are abusing a process as a stall tactic-better safe than sorry does not apply here--we already have a DEP to oversee projects and there are numerous CONDITIONS and very clear regulations already in place for our wetlands--- ask anyone in town who wants to build, dig, move , fence or fill! Why does this group think they can do better than the DEP? I know why because at least the ones I've seen in action

Ms Bellefontaine,
No, 1,426 people is not a lot of people to vote for something as important as the building of a new high school. But if you speak to the residents who don't show up for town meeting, you'll find the reason they don't is because the meeting stretches out inordinately long due to the number of inane comments, questions, accusations, etc. from one Mr Kevin MacDonald. Not many people, civic-minded though they may be, have 6 hours to spend at a town meeting on a Saturday. Correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't that how long the most recent one lasted? It is, therefore, quite a feat that that 1,426 people stayed to vote on the high school building article.

Mr. McDonald's 412pm comment that he put under a reply insulted us moms and the other residents of the town by saying this: "I wonder if the children are learning math skills from their mommies who think that 1,200 is a majority of 14,000?" can pretty much shove it as far as I am concerned and that is me being nice. You sir are a disgrace to this entire community. Nobody said that 1200 was a majority of 14,000 but if only 1,200 show up to vote (when actually it was over 1400+) and only a fraction of it was opposition, then I think we all know who the major losers are in this particular math equation and it's not the people that stood loud and proud to say YES to a new high school. Face it you guys lost. Don't like it - then go find some other town that may accept your antics. I am embarrassed for you. I don't care if my kids go to Princeton, State School (which I am proud graduate of) or learn a trade....as long as they don't grow up to be miserable and project that onto others. Just because you are still stomping your feet that you didn't get your way, it does not give you the right to insult my (and others) intelligence or make ASSumptions of what I hope for my children. My children deserve a clean, safe, state of the art building that will last for them throughout their high school careers. I work hard, I pay my bills without complaint and I made my choice. Just because you don't like it does NOT give you the right to derail it. Shame, shame, shame on YOU.

MAxine

No offense taken Just staing a position and not to nitpic but voltaire didn in fact say it Bartleby.com (http://www.bartleby.com/66/40/63040.html) provides the following citation:

The Columbia World of Quotations. 1996.

NUMBER: 63040

QUOTATION: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

ATTRIBUTION: Voltaire [François Marie Arouet] (1694–1778), French philosopher, author.
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There is the reference page . I feel though as i said the new school is so very important and we need to build it . But I feel that those 13 individual have the right to do what they must do as long as if they do not prevail they have the courage as Mr Sagan to admit defeat and go with the majority .

Mr Mcdonald . How dare you who are you to judge who is informed and who is not . Let inform you of a few thing you only recieved 300 votes in the recent town elelction please take this as it was ment the town and it electorate disavow your concepts and Ideas. I
I feel now your only way to get attention is to spread your ranting and ravings on to this format. and that fines most if not all will take your comments for what its worth . You however have no right no right what so ever to even infer that you know more then others in this community. The voters voted against you in the election and voted against your stand with the new high school. deal with it also by taking to the paper and attacking everything in Wilmington as you do puts your motives in Question

Kevin!!!!
I don't want my kids to go to school in north reading or with people from there - I live in Wilmington and if I wanted a regional school I would have spent my money in a town that has that. I don't want to find ways for the town to generate money - not something I want to be involved in. I already voiced my choice on the high school so I also don't feel I need to do anything else special - I made my vote count. Now I must leave my job and go home to my family. At least I go there and know what's best for them since you do not and stop ASSuming you do or believe I'm an idiot who doesn't understand math which is the only possible reason the vote passed.

What hubris, Mr MacDonald! The majority of voters in Wilmington disagree with you, therefore they must be uninformed? Seriously? Just what makes you so informed? What are your academic and professional credentials? Engineering background? Petrochemical background?
FYI, I am a graduate of a well-respected university. My husband is as well, in addition to having a law degree. We are both quite rational and well-employed. We have both lived in other communities both in this state and out. I can tell you from my own experience that Wilmington is a well-run and affordable community. The taxes are quite reasonable compared to others in the area (and no, I am not speaking of Lexington), as well as other fees like water and sewer. You need to get out of Wilmington and explore, sir. Perhaps then you will drop your provincial attitudes and see the world as it is, not as you insist it must be. You certainly want to be the "big fish in the little pond."

I would genuinely like to know if 'The Group of 10' is planning on having a public meeting where they can explain to residents why they have filed their latest appeal. Between High School Building Committee Meetings, High School Building Committee Public Forums, Board of Selectmen Meetings, School Committee Meetings, Finance Committee/Planning Board Public Hearing, and the Annual and Special Town Meetings, the town has probably provided residents with 50+ opportunities to hear - in part or in full - their plans for a new high school. I think 'The Group of 10' owes it to the residents to show us their objections to the plans. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from ALL signees of the appeal, especially the ones that have never spoken out publicly against the project on environmental grounds.

Blah...Blah...Blah... Kevin...Blah...Blah... I live with mommy...Blah...Blah..." Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan"...Blah...Blah...I don't pay property tax...Blah...Blah..." Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan"...Blah...Blah...Blah..." Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan"...Blah...Blah...BOOM...BOOM...Blah..." Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan"...Blah...Blah... I hate the TM...Blah...six hour meetings...Blah...Blah...Blah...Oil...Oil...Oil...Blah...Blah..." Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan"Blah...Blah... BOOM...BOOM...Blah...Blah...

George Lingenfelter, Ilora Lingenfelter, Gerald O’Reilly, Michael Bodnar, David Romanski, Walter Collings, Dennis Rooney, Timothy Norton, Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan, Bradley Stevenson, Daniel Baima and Charles Baima

Totally offended by the "I wonder if the children are learning math skills from their mommies who think that 1,200 is a majority of 14,000?" comment. What an insult. I can barely sit here reading this nonsense, I can't imagine how the town officials can sit through 6 hours of this trash. No wonder the police have to come and remove you. Everyone in the town was given the opportunity to voice their opinion in 2 different votes. You have appealed. You have lost. It's time to stop and let the vote stand and stop wasting everyone's time.

Just to clarify... The Dennis Rooney listed as a co-petitioner is Dennis Rooney Sr. NOT Dennis Rooney Jr.

Sorry for the confusion.

Kevin

Were you digging for oil on Andover Street when you strippedmined for rocks to sell?

You need to open the basement windows. Your ideas are really getting pathetic. Community college? Do you think these are formed overnight or over years? Professors at 100k are not out there especially when one considers benefits. And yes, they do get benefits. A minor league hockey team? Been to the Lock Monsters aka Devils lately? Nope because this area can't support such a team. You want to denigrate WPS education but then want us to believe your unsupported ideas. Didn't you attend WPS? So how did you get so smart there while others didn't? You want to start a community college yet you didn't go to college. You want to create an incubator for business to create jobs yet I'm pretty sure you haven't been a business owner or created a meaningful job. Such a study in contrasts, wouldn't you say?

So much misinformation. Where to start?

It is cowardly to name people by both first and last name over and over while not admitting your own. Cowardly, and tawdry.

I have been going to town meetings for 15+ years, and attendance has always been sparse, including long before Mr. MacDonnald has been very vocal. To say that the town of over 14000 voters are 90% scared away by one man is silly and uninformed. Far more voters in town are not engaged for all kinds of reasons, the largest is apathy, and I suspect very few are actually making the presumed statement of boycotting the meeting because Mr. MacDonnald is there.

Personal attacks are not productive. My experience with many on the often posted list of names is not at all like they have been characterized here. I actually laughed out loud at the prospect of some of them being considered conservative. A few on that list will be horribly insulted by that label. So, if it was an insult, it was a good one. If it was something else, it is ill informed.

Someone without the intestinal fortitude to identify themselves listed an impressive resume, but of course, without listing their name, it is either fiction, or more likely like most statements posted on line, a fantasy. At least Mr. MacDonnald is clearly who he is, and he is well researched, and a smart man. That does not mean I agree with all he says, but not agreeing with another does not make them dumb.

The comment was made that the DEP will do the watch dogging needed without active citizen involvement, and this is clearly wrong. The only question is to ask if the poster who said it was ignorant of the truth, or knowing of it and had some other reason to say what they said.

Government employees are just that. Like everyone else, some are great and energetic, and others are lazy, while most are somewhere in the middle. DEP is full of government employees. Both state and federal environmental watchdogs were on site, and issuing permits, and overlooking what was being done on Eames Street, by various chemical companies, and the resulting pollution and contamination has closed the majority of the town's wells, has ruined the private wells of many homeowners, and is considered by many a clear contributor to the higher than normal cancer rates in parts of Wilmington.

Citizens very much must keep on the case to protect our lands.

Politicians, local and otherwise have agendas, and not all of them are 100% to the benefit of the people of Wilmington. Several houses were built and improved upon with the stolen and wasted materials from the Big Dig, and on a smaller scale, there will be some here in Wilmington will similarly benefit from this nearly $100 million project.

I do my homework Kevin so don't ASSume otherwise - I was happy with the plans as presented - you don't know me so don't make ASSumptions

Hey Wiley, didn't the roadrunner blow you up? Did it fry your brain at the same time? I didn't hear any innovative suggestions from you. I guess they got smoked out by the roadrunner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! beep beep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

History is full of examples of bad choices being made by governments, often endorsed by voting people. If this High School project stomps of the wetlands, it would not be the first time politics trumped doing the right thing. Remember, the State did not approve the field work for matching funds. The turf field is a pet project of some folks in town. And the town did not have an opportunity to approve or deny that turf field on its own. The folks who wanted it added it to the larger project, even though it was not accepted by the state, because they are good at getting what they want. Getting it, or being able to get it, is not the same thing as watching out for the environment.

I did some research on that comment that is attributed to Voltare, and if I recall my research, the statement is popularly attributed to him, but actually came from a biography of him. So, another author attributed it to him, moreso than he did publish it himself.

Again, the law provides for people to appeal decisions. To have so many come on this forum and say hateful things about them is far more insulting to the reputation of Wilmington than anything the 10 or 13 are doing. I surely hope that those here who are insulting others, and calling names are not expecting to be respected themselves.

And I went to many many meetings about this school. People were told what would happen, not asked for their input. Characterizing what happened is influenced on how you liked what you saw.

Hmmmm innovative.... How about a new high school where the current one sits? We could do a study, hold multiple town meetings to vote on it, and move forward....maybe even get the state to kick in some cash to help build it....how about a mini Ipswich River Park for Yentile Farm? How about getting a Target on Ballardvale to attract jobs and taxes? All good ideas IMO.

Positive thoughts!

Amen... I say...Amen...Brother

Suzanne Sullivan has been a political detriment to this town for ten years. Thank God she was removed at the ballot box. Problem is, she resents it and is going to do whatever she can to get back at the stupid town that had the nerve to throw her out. You watch. If DEP backs the town on this latest appeal, they will NOT be done. These people will appeal it again, just to stick it in the administration's face. They dont care a whit about the kids, their educational environment or anything else. This group is comprised of NIMBYs and people who have a grudge against the town because they were thrown out or electorily rejected. Look at some the names and match them with the electoral results of the past six years.

This project will be delayed for months and months based soley upon their vitriolic anger and resentment. It's sick, actually.

I would love the idea of a Park and trails Im not really keen on another shopping mall, We need another one of those like we need a Staph infection, I think we have to start realizing enough of the building up with Malls Apt complexs Etc Lets not turn Wilmington into a MAlden or Medford,. With the exception of a few things we have a great town here lets focus in on the Quality of Life . Let the HIgh School go where its going, slow down on condo apt complex development and improve quality of life

It seems clear that no one here has considered that perhaps the wetlands are being impacted by this project. If the DEP agrees that further mitigation needs to be done, or that the project needs to be changed, then how will all the haters here respond?

I am sure that the town plays it fast and loose, when it suits them. They would not be alone at that.

As a response to a comment made a while back, I will agree that this town is well run, or at least has been, by comparison to other towns. I am happy with this, but it does not absolve us of the responsibility to watch the administrators. I am glad there are people in town who do.

Karl, I was listening, but now you are starting to sound like Kevin....when you start using terms like "the town" you are sounding hysterical--and when you call him smart-you've crossed the line... Implying the intent of many good people is really not well-intended at all is not playing fair --How about we work to resolve problems and not undo, delay, and tarnish an expensive, but positive project. In Wilmington, practically the whole town is impacted by wetlands regulations--you'd think our local and federal regs would be enough?? Nope--it will never be enough until the project is squashed--and that's what this is REALLY about for most in that group--call it what it is..

Karl
I can agree with that developing along the Highway corridor makes a lot of sense from a buisness and tax base point of view.
I do think however to continue to build in Wilmington Proper would not be a good thing for the town. Its not that I am against development but I think too much development in a short time puts so much stress on a towns ability to take care of its needs . I would love to see a moritorium on Buliding inside the town, but concentration on the highway points as you suggested

The previous suggestion of finding a way to bill the 13 individuals for the additional costs as well as billing Kevin MacDonald for all of ridiculousness is excellent, only a shame it will never happen and instead the good citizens of this town will have to eat that expense.

The 13 are merely being spiteful and sadly I won't be suprised if they take it beyond this action should it prove unsuccessful for them as seemingly blocking this project has become passionate for them.

Hey, Kevin, why do we see your name missing from among the Obstructionist 13? You've got an awful lot of bark with what appears to be no bite whatsoever.

Obviously, there are some her, including Mr. MacDonald, who do not work for a living and have all day to post their BS on Patch...get a job, sir.

This past weekend we all honored those who died for our freedoms. Yet the people on this Patch threaten and malign those acting well within their freedoms. I find it incredibly hypocritical. No wonder there are laws that protect our right to participate in decisions made by the gov. bodies without the threat of being sued or intimidated. It is called the strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP).
All these comments are really irrelevant, this is a wetland appeal, it can't stop the high school. It does not change the vote! Could it delay the process, doubtful. It is true there is another process beyond this one. Let's hope that is a bridge that will not be crossed.
if anyone is truly interested in the nuts and bolts of this issue I have no problem speaking to them or emailing back and forth them directly (swampy435@verizon.net). I can even email our section of the appeal. But beyond this post I will not participate in/on this horrible forum full of cyber bullies and haters. Maybe someone should suggest to the BOS that they distribute the standards and rules the schools have for our children about cyber bullying to certain people that serve on town boards. We want so much for our kids how about setting a good example. To the haters and anti democracy people we are not intimidated. As the Town Manger has on the town website: "Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities...because it is the quality that guarantees all others"
Winston Churchill

Oh please, spare us the lecture.

Is the meeting still at 11:27 at the same spot... You know the one in the space craft out in the wet lands...btw we have to check out the craft...it appears to be leaking something from the back, you know where you and Martha sit, we wouldn't want to contaminate the wet lands now would we. anywho I'll be there on time tell George fresh chickens' are on sale and I picked up some tin foil.. I made new hats for us all. I have to go now...my chinchilla is chasing my hamster into my bird cage... I love the color yellow...don't you? I'll bring the wheedles of my rocking chair as well... never know... zip im up is the guest list still the same? George Lingenfelter, Ilora Lingenfelter, Gerald O’Reilly, Michael Bodnar, David Romanski, Walter Collings, Dennis Rooney SR, Timothy Norton, Martha Stevenson, Suzanne Sullivan, Bradley Stevenson, Daniel Baima and Charles Baima..I'll bring extra paper towels too remember the last time George brang the chicken...ooo what a mess.

Wow,

I guess you guys showed Susanne Sullivan that she was wrong about the haters and bullies comment. The responses, including the yelling (Caps lock when posting) really showed your respect for debate, and your aversion to being bullies.

As far as Jozkid, your explanation may make sense to you, and with my wife's help, we think we know who you are, but it does not make you less of a coward. Can you not see that if you know who I am, and I say something, and I do not know who you are when you say something, it make us uneven? It is unfair to hide your identity because you do not want to be held accountable to it when seen in public. When you make that unfairness happen, and take advantage of it, you are showing yourself to be choosing to not hold a fair discussion. Now, not having respect for your internet antics does not mean that I hate you, or even dislike you. I can easily like a person, and still not respect everything they do.

I have a question that I have asked, and no one has dared to answer. What will this crew say if the DEP finds that there are some problems with the site plans at the new high school? There may be more mitigation needed, or some other change in the plans. If these 10 or 13 people force the town to do it more correctly (by state DEP standards) then it will clearly be a tremendous service to the town. Is anyone posting here willing to say now, in advance of the DEP visit, that they will endorse any findings?

If the DEP finds there are problems then all of us who are for the school will have to honestly look at the results and if DEP states that the School can not be built or more work has to be done to the site, then we and teh town will have to address that . Im not affraid of DEP findings. My Question and Im not afraid to ask it is if they find the Site OK are the people who oppose it going to let it go and accept the plan.
I will after reading the DEP plan will endorse it whatever the findings. and since my name is published I am not hiding.

@ Maxine comment on :May 30, 2012 stated in part: quote: it has been pointed out repeatedly that you are wrong about the oil on that site. end quote.

My comments: if the oil is not the issue why did the MA-DEP (as noted in their database for NOI /wetlands found at :[http://www.mass.gov/dep/service/compliance/searchde.htm] state the below in their comments???? "
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quote: MassDEP also would require more information regarding the placement of porous pavement underlain with perferated pipes in the area of contaiminated soil. What is the depth of this contaiminated soil? Is this area proposed to be lined to prevent any interation between infiltrated flow and contaiminated soil?
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my comments: if of no concern, then why is the MA-DEP even addressing it???

http://public.dep.state.ma.us/wetland/wetland.aspx
344-1233 4/18/2012 MICHAEL CAIRA 159 CHURCH STREET TOWN OF WILMINGTON NE WILMINGTON

http://www.mass.gov/dep/service/compliance/searchde.htm bottom of the list NOI for your community.

im just curious..

Hi Mr. Hayes I'll tell you what boom boom represents... My freedom of speech. If I want to publicly comment on and incident that happened years ago(public Knowledge) that a resident blew himself up I can, and THEY know it. Why are we the haters and lyers but they can name call us names and say what they want. Isn't it funny that most of the people who use a handle other than their name are on the side of the new school, it is us who get threatened at every turn. They call us cowards, I call us smart. It is their side that has posted addresses of people who they are trying to intimidate, not us. Their side is the ones that have been escorted out of many public meetings not us. Mr. Hayes, don't fall into their trap, there has been no threats made on this sight or any others I can tell of, well except the tar and feather post but I believe even that was tongue in cheek, dont you? Why has one of 10 or 13 publicly said I'm sorry and I'm out in a letter to the editor? Don't fall into their trap Mr. Hayes, It is they that are trying to deflect focus off the real issues with their silly little games. Keep the focus Mr. Hayes.. It is YOUR right. BTH it is my opinion and RIGHT, not rhetoric

just checked, the DEP for Ma, has not changed their comments .. you can look it up for yourself at this url http://public.dep.state.ma.us/wetland/wetland.aspx you want to find 344-1233 ...

what is interesting is that since the date of filing 4/18/2012 .. the questions have yet to be answered to the DEP.. sure makes me curious as to why ?

@josephine morningstar, boring morning? You're really putting the hurt on this month old thread today.

I got like 10 email notifications that you had posted on here this morning. I did not read all of your posts. I hope your wetlands get paved!

The DEP like many govt agencies is BROKEN- they are "obligated" to address appeals even if there is a glimmer of possibility that some project will cause harm."They" also know very well that SOME people are abusing this broken agency by filing every possible last minute grievance to serve their own NEEDY, hostile agendas which they clearly feel override the needs of 900 kids and families in our community. We have regulations, we have government oversight and we've had these plans accessible for months. Worst of all, when systems are broken and people are unreasonable, some of us become distrustful of them and that does not create allies in protecting the environment, it creates division in the community. That is what is happening because of this. Just look at GL, perfect example.

I guess now we know why his entire neighborhood has taken such ugly and drastic measures to cordon themselves off from him. Pathetic. They are tring to quarantine a misfit in The Bunker.

Karl, just google George Lingenfelter with the word Wilmington and you'll get some history.. He is also the initiator of the new high school appeal. His situation (and his past) are additional examples of a disgruntled townsperson trying to get his voice heard, but who has little support in the community- and bad mouthing others at every turn. I am not being disrespectful, he put himself under public scrutiny by initiating an unnecessary appeal that could cost the town well upwards of 3 million dollars. He has already delayed a better high school experience for my kids, so in essence, we reap what we sow.

I appreciated what you said at the appeal meeting,that despite your disagreement you have accepted the town's vote and you're moving on-- I respect that, and by the way, in regard to your comment from long ago--my son hasn't had too many labs at the middle school either--but there's a right way and a wrong way to deal with our issues. We all know a new building will not magically improve education, but it's a great start and I am optimistic. I think we have some very good teachers here in the WPS- plus a new Asst Supt. and a new Special Ed. Director. We should all be working TOGETHER.

I have been away.

Does anyone know what the report from the DEP said?